Curse

Janlijm · Nov 03, 2009, 09:45 PM // 21:45

This post isn't meant for all gw players. There are players who just play the game for fun. But I am feeling that alot of players aren't doing this. And that is why I made this thread. I hope you guys will learn something from it and who knows anet will listen to us. But I am afraid they don't. But thats no reason why I couldn't try it. If you read this post it will maybe help without having anet to change someting. Although I hope they do.

More and more people are complaining about UWSC and other farms. That people do and when there is a event people are farming Raptors. To get alot of event items. And then the most items are sold to other people to make some cash. These players just can't UWSC and thats why they try to make some cash with farming raptors and selling event items for 200gp/ea orso. Some people even farmed 2500ToT with halloween to give a example and then to make 500k.

The reason people complain about UWSC is that people make to easy money in there eye's. Which is correct but the background lying reason is that they just see that people farm 10times a day UWSC. They want to make more money then them so they say. The UWSCers farm way to fast NERF IT so that we can get equal money.

But my question is why do you need to farm? Whats the reason why people farm such alot of cash. They only reason I can think of is that they want the rare minipets who need 10000ecto's or they want there titles for showing to other people or they just want to complete there HoM for GW2. Which isn't possible. Since their are those rare minipets who can't be buyed although a lot of people try to get them by farming UWSC each day etc. But in the end this will only make them more expensive and even more unavailable.

The problem with MMO's is just that people want to be better then other people at some point of the game. Were other games are played out you see in MMO's people with better stuff. You want that too. So what are you gone do, you go farm to get these items. The reason anet wants us to go farm is to keep the playerbase at there hand. So that they dont go play other games and are gone buy those games when they are out. Because other games do the same thing anet needs to do the same to reach the same keeping their players in the game so that they will buy their game when there is a new part out.

Now you want proof and ideas how to solve it, I will give it:

*If people ask about why there aren't more minipets of the rare ones in guildwars we get as answer because they were given out to winners who deserve them and thats why they can't give them to everyone. Now if you look at the first rare minipets. Which players do still have these minipets I guess almost noone they all sold them. So why don't they make them dedicted to the winners? (First idea: make minipets dedicted who are given out at events)

*Explain to players how games work so that they know that other games want them to play their games. who want them to get addicted to their games just as anet needs to do since otherwhich they would lose players, but I guess its better if anet explains it to confince people about it so that they know about how it works, so that they cant fall in the traps other games use to keep their players. Instead of introducing own ways to keep players in their game. If people know how things work they can for see the tricks. If they dont tell it. A good way to learn it is to play alot of free MMO's and delete your account before you were really addicted to it or are getting to much in these games. So just start for the fun and when you dont like it anymore or are getting the impressing that the game want you to get things or other tricks. Quit the game and delete it and look at a other game and you will notice new tricks. (Idea two: say to people how games work, instead of trying to keep there players ingame with grinding.)

*When they introduced Ursan people were farming with it alot. Then they made SF which gave the people a new way to farm as fast as ursan or even faster and as reason they gave: you now need to use 8skills so its harder. (Idea three nerf SF, and don't come with other reasons for SF. They try to make UWSC harder but this will lead to that every ingame person can get ectos harder. Which makes that every person ingame can get less ecto from that time at that moment. So it doesn't fix anything people will just need to farm even harder to get the items they want.)

*Make it possible to play the game out, at the moment this should mean give the players atleast the opportunity to complete their HoM. (This means make the rare minipets dedicted or cheaper.) The other titles are atleast get able I mean you dont need to max kurzick title to put it in the HoM rank4 is enough. Why do people then need to farm for 10000ectos to get some rare minipets. (Idea four: make it possible to play the game out, atleast to fill the HoM for gw2)

*Make some ingame activitisch players can do ingame which keeps the people ingame. But not at a Grindway but a more social way. Such as the rollerbeetle arena were people can race with eachother. Although this isn't a very good example since people can get rare minipets with it, which makes people grind for the highest score. Such activitisch should be more social to play with other people for fun instead of grinding. If you look at the game at the moment more and more things are done Solo. Instead of the old days were people just played with eachother for fun. Things are now in a way that people need special builds to get in a party. It is even so that you need to be in a farmguild to play UW out. Since only people do UWSC and not the balance social fun teams to play these area's out because they are to hard for balance groups and if you make it easier the UWSCers are to fast with these places. But if you join the UWSC without being in a guild you will get pugs who most of the time also fail. Or you need to now people who dont fale. But not every guildwars player has this oppertunity. (Idea five: make guildwars a more social game, what it was but more and more is becoming a solo game)

Ok, I was hard there are things going better such as the Zquest which stimulate groupplay. But if this is working I dont know. Most people only pickout the quests which give the most zkeys or they only play it with special builds to do the quest as fast as possible. But if I was you just try these quests with normal builds which you made and like. Just watch what the skills do and make a nice build of it. So that we can make the game more social. Becuase its getting worse and worse in this game. And if they are going to do the same thing in GW2 we will get a game like WoW. Solo and grind you life away behind a PC. Good evening and I hope you learned something from this post although Anet won't change things I am afraid. Just think about the things I said about ingame. The next time you want to go UWSC think about why you are doing it. Go play things in reallife and think I will go play gw2 when it is out. You people don't need to get everything.

ddraeg cymru · Nov 03, 2009, 10:10 PM // 22:10

I agree with some of what you said but if Anet made the game "completable" that would just push them to get GW2 out before people lost interest as they had completed their HoM etc.
Personally I find that Anet are doing fine, ignore the people who are QQing about farming and grinding etc. Play for fun?
The idea of dedicating/customizing the mini pets that are given at events is brilliant imo. You could furhter this by it simply not being a HoM requirement, I personally don't aim to complete my HoM. Yes i'll add a few armor sets here and there but theres no point spending money on minis etc.
You mentioned making it more social. I feel that the introduction of heros did corrupt the gameplay, i miss grouping, it was a good way to meet players.

Also if youve played WoW you would know end game WoW is defineatley not solo grind. 25 man dungeons? yes please! :P

Basically I agree and Disagree with what you have said. :P
Some good points some bad points.

-Ddraeg

Bob Slydell · Nov 03, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by ddraeg cymru

The idea of dedicating/customizing the mini pets that are given at events is brilliant imo. You could furhter this by it simply not being a HoM requirement, I personally don't aim to complete my HoM.

This. IMO everything you can get in GW2 should be achievable with a Prophecies, Factions, NF and EoTN box on your account and some spare time and nothing else outside of the players grasp of achievable things. I don't want people running around in GW2 showing off achievements because they won a contest for GW 1 three years prior, just stupid. HoM is to show what you did in the GW1 game in GW2, not to show that you are good at some art contest. Sorry to those who did win a contest, this was just my opinion on it.

I also don't aim to complete my HoM. I put a few things in there and that's all, no point on going over zealous with it. I'll settle for a small title or achievement in GW2 simply showing I played GW1, thats all.

ddraeg cymru · Nov 03, 2009, 10:33 PM // 22:33

But surely winning an art competition is something you did in GW1?
I'm just being picky here and i can see where your coming from but if they were dedicated when you got them it would eliminate this factor of "super rare minis".

BlueXIV · Nov 03, 2009, 10:39 PM // 22:39

No but seriously. It's a mini. Do you need it? Is your life complete without it? If you answered yes, you have some other problems you need to take care of.

ravensong · Nov 03, 2009, 10:54 PM // 22:54

[irony] Im sorry I had to work hard, do something creative, have imagination and talent to gain a simple minipet for which you would otherwise grind your life away by playing a computer game.

Life is truly unfair... [/irony]

PS. Other than that, Blue said it all.

Eragon Zarroc · Nov 03, 2009, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by BlueXIV

No but seriously. It's a mini. Do you need it? Is your life complete without it? If you answered yes, you have some other problems you need to take care of.

you are only saying that because your mini guard has already completed ur life ;-)

MercyfulHate · Nov 03, 2009, 11:15 PM // 23:15

To me it's basically like this:
UWSC is fun and it's a great way to have fun once in a while. The money I make (or lose depending on your group) can be used to buy title points. For example, I made XX amount of ectos, then I sold the ectos for XX amount of sweet points to gain another title. That's something fun and enjoyable. Yeah I beat the games, yeah I've done nearly all the quests, yeah I made money/lost money. SF isn't a problem... it's people that think it's the problem, that are the problem. SF made somethings more enjoyable and easier to accomplish rather than playing a dungeon for four hours straight. Now in my spare time, I can beat the dungeon in a matter of an hour and get the reward I want. That's realistic and can be achieved easily by anyone who complains. So rather than complain, why not jump on the band wagon then complain when the spoils are gone?

ddraeg cymru · Nov 03, 2009, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by MercyfulHate

To me it's basically like this:
UWSC is fun and it's a great way to have fun once in a while. The money I make (or lose depending on your group) can be used to buy title points. For example, I made XX amount of ectos, then I sold the ectos for XX amount of sweet points to gain another title. That's something fun and enjoyable. Yeah I beat the games, yeah I've done nearly all the quests, yeah I made money/lost money. SF isn't a problem... it's people that think it's the problem, that are the problem. SF made somethings more enjoyable and easier to accomplish rather than playing a dungeon for four hours straight. Now in my spare time, I can beat the dungeon in a matter of an hour and get the reward I want. That's realistic and can be achieved easily by anyone who complains. So rather than complain, why not jump on the band wagon then complain when the spoils are gone?

Yeah, Its not like you HAVE to run SF, if you want the challenge of doin the dungeon "properly" get your guild to run it without SFers!

Warvic · Nov 03, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Dude.. it's to late. I remember the days that you made a screenshot if you saw someone in FoW armour.

But they ruined it by making these kind of farms possible.

And as we all know, GW playerbase is not that much anymore. So if they nerf most farming stuff they lose alot of people, because alot of people are farming to get stuff for HoM.

Not that it matters, They alrdy got their money..

AND! not everyone is farming 24/7. I haven't done any UWSC yet but my main is a assassin. And I can do it, I done alot of different speed clears but I hate farming, it's to boring for me. I'm more a pvp'er.

Shut A You Face · Nov 03, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45

I really hate when people complain about SF or about UWSC. Yes, I have a sin. Yes, I use SF. I have never done UWSC. The fact that people complain about how other people farm or play the game, in general, is rediculous. If SF or UWSC wasn't the issue for these people, something else WOULD BE.

The fact that complainers refuse to use it(SF), refuse to read about UWSC, refuse to comunicate with others about UWSC in game should be of little consquence to any of us.
Why is it that we have to change the way we enjoy the game because a relative few can't do UWSC? Chances are, these are the same people who don't really play the game well in general, but enjoy it none the less.

Here is what I suggest...
YOU PLAY THE GAME YOUR WAY AND WE WILL PLAY THE GAME OUR WAY.

Here is another thing to ponder..
Why do we have to change SF or UWSC to appease the games under achievers?

own age myname · Nov 03, 2009, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Warvic

Dude.. it's to late. I remember the days that you made a screenshot if you saw someone in FoW armour.

I remember that. I might have my ss of that somewhere. I freaked out when I saw that warrior in full obby.

OT:

I agree with the OP mostly. Why complain about farming? How does someone elses virtual gold affect your gameplay? Why do you NEED to look richer then the next guy? You have a life to impress people with, don't try to do it on a game.

Zahr Dalsk · Nov 03, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

Since it's all cosmetic, I don't really give a shit.

/notsigned

El Perma Shadow · Nov 04, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

we could do this the easy way, what are the names and addresses of the people. they wont be complaining anymore lol

Thenameless Wonder · Nov 04, 2009, 01:21 AM // 01:21

I agree with some of your pts but one I disagree. You mentioned that titles should be easier to get. Titles are the only thing keeping players who got the game in 05'. Anet wants to keep these players so they created titles. Now I know it sounds more appealing to newer players but making titles easier would cause QQ. Not if it was the zrank tho.....

Uriel_Wolfblood · Nov 04, 2009, 02:07 AM // 02:07

For me the only reason I farm is to make my characters cool. I don't care about really rare items or minis, I like having various elite armors and weapons that make my gameplay experience the most fun.

dsielschott · Nov 04, 2009, 04:30 AM // 04:30

im just throwing some stuff out there....u can like it or not....

I have played this game now for 4 years.....I just got my FIRST set of FoW armor, I was thrilled with myself, it was a great achievment for me in game. I do not agree with the idea of making all the rare minipets not well "rare" i like the fact that they can be traded, it gives that average player that thought "maybe someday I can have one" i know i never will because currently i dont even have an ecto in my inventory....

but making titles easier.....dont agree with, again after 4 years I have 19 titles maxed and still workin on others, I keep playin the game to do this and in the process I make money and use it to buy new weapons that I might want or new armors because mine is gettin a little old for me..... thats what the game is, if you dont want anything new you wouldnt play the game....i want new things so i work for them, if i could have UWSC i would have to make the money to get the things that I wanted but i didnt and now i cant but I will just play the game and make money the slow way like i always have.....

I do agree with the heros being the downfall of the social networking in GW....i do play with them BUT i do miss playing with real people more often than not....

to recap
-keep "rare" minis
-dont knock farming--just "join the bandwagon"
-heros are nice but killed the socialness of it
-WOOT still title hunting and its fun